Osode/Haidate

My english isn't the best so i hope you can understand my following suggestions and don't missunderstand it. i think a system where you need to "line up" is a thing that some ppl make more invy about being maybe only 4th or 5th in any list. (some ppl i know left their LS's because of lineup-systems) i think the "luck"-factor in our system is good and fair for everyone. if s/o decide to spend his/her point to an item not used for a sky job maybe we could make it ,ore expensive to lot maybe 5points more or something. I'm not up for changing the system in it's general. i'm not against a change it's only a suggestion that ppl might get jelous.

Just throwing in my two cents, but this would cause problems because sometimes mages (i.e. Me) have go go as their job because it is needed. I'd rather go to sky as NIN, but i don't see that happening because I'm a WHM. From my experience everything is fine the way it is because unexpected things can happen if you want to put priority before others. When someone gets the item that they want, they might not show up anymore and that really won't help anyone. More people can join with xx job that are able to lot and they go to sky as that job. The main point is not everyone is able to go to sky as the job that they want to and this will make them have to wait longer for the item that they want. I guess it may seem unfair for those who attend sky with their only job at 75, but they have to realize that other people have the same jobs as them or jobs that the item is more useful to.

I agree with mizuo i know theres alot of people that come with only one job up to sky but there are also alot of other members that have other jobs to 75 and are only needed as one main job up in sky. It kinda sux to get outlotted all the time on a certain item u really want too, but theres really no way to make it better for the people that really want a certain item. We've tried changing so many rules around and everytime we try to make it better seems some people in LS will not be happy or agree to it. I think the rules we have now are pretty good and eventually all our members will get the item they want, its just gonna take time and patience. Just want everyone to have fun up in sky.

like i have previously stated to gh in a suggestion to using pts and stuff, but that we can wager our pts to get items, if someone wants to spend all their pts to get an item then so be it, but that means that that person has to come back and get more pts to get other items they want/need. all i'm saying is that a lot of the mages have some of their zenith, etc equip for their mage jobs, with most melee in our ls don't have any mage jobs but what they come as. i don't think it's fair that the melee who come and can benefit the ls more by getting a haidate then when a mage gets it and he/she only comes as a mage. i think if we do that by wagering our pts then it has a good effect, spend all ur pts u have to come back and get more. and also i suggest to raise the min pts limit for being able to lot on osode or haidate seeing that it's a high sought after item. this is the way it is done in a lot of ls that u wager ur pts, that's just my suggestion. oh and btw if ur wondering, what if 2 or more ppl have the same amt of pts, then they both lot and the highest wins.

I think ppl should be able to spend more point to get priority, like since wasted never stfu about osode, if he wants it THAT bad, he shouldn't mind giving up all 60 of his points, then he'll be happy, and i'll be happy cuz then he'll stfu about it. Please take that into consideration, sorry wasted but your the most annoying persdon when it comes to mentioning the same shit over and over again, i think ever since i been in LS u allways say the same 3 things about 50x a run. "U want osode, u want hidaite, ur lots suck" I finally blisted you cuz im tired of being reminded of what you want, what i want is u to shut up about it, but since u wont, I blisted you and your the 2nd EVER I rarely blist ppl, but u never stop so, ya; That and u make fun of my armor when urs is shit compared to mine. I know the truth hurts, but now u know~

Also another thing, melee. Please do realize its mages that keep you ALIVE to even FIGHT a God. Mages shouldn't only have to lot mage shit just because they are there a mage. I think some mages should stand u0p and show melee what happens when they dont come mage. Lets take our precious time out to see what happens @ a god without any blms and 1/2 whms. It would be interesting to see if we win. Sadly this game's NM lean more towards magges being prioritized then melee, maily because they not only DoT Enfeeble and can stay out of AoE range, they also most of the time switch to curing. I do respect that melee want armor, but I certainly do think that these melee without mage jobs should get a grip and deal. On another note 1/4th of the things that drop from sky or for mages. So if u think mages are getting spoiled cuz they have zenith they really arent, i bet some ppl never even wanted zenith just lot it to have it since they dont wanna lot against melee *aka see you ppl melee happy* Hell i came lost 40k xp on blm for melee, and they say *u skip sky for ballista shun you* I also waste my damn xp for ppl who complain all the time and argue like a buncha lil bratty white girls at a barbie doll fashion show. And on top of that when I am there I rarely/barely ever lot ANYTHING so when we talk about what I deserve, I prolly "Deserve" alot more crap from sky then what I'm getting, and some other people are getting. And i do think Alex should take in consideration what ppl do outside of sky for this Ls, like help Hippyman with PM's that i've done about 10x allready, just to end up dying and losing gil. Matter fact better yet I just aint gonna do shit to help anyone less they pay. Even if that means teleport mea you to help u get to sky, my help in sky is free, and only my help inside that zone is free, anywhere outside the 4 Tu'lia zone's is gonna cost ya kthx. I do think it's a rediculous relationship we have between eachother, *im speaking bout everyone* and it should be changed. But i doubt it will cause like the stereotype is, American's are too busy caring about themselves to think about others. It may not fall under our entire nation, but it DEFINATELY is a respectable stereotype for this LS's members. Does anyone think about how happy Servine would be to go nin instead of whm all the time? Does anyone think about if Miz/Servine wanting Osode/Hidai for THEIR ninja's? Has anyone here ever given a LS member a cursed Item besides me? *That came from their wallet not the f-in LS bank* And im not talking bout the 4k cursed soup. Lets try more so for 100k cursed mitts. Anyways I'mma go back to reading up on Nyzul Isle now >:O

but u have to understand those that come melee usually that's their only job they have atm. of course those that don't come as nin or w/e want their haidates or osodes but people must realize that there is a priority to jobs getting items. another proposal to my as stated suggestion earlier is that we increase the maximum amt of pts we can receive, i think this will help b/c that will narrow the field of who gets what and like i said b4 those here more often will sure enough earn more pts, then when they get their gear then guess what, u don't have to worry about them getting something u want b/c they have no pts and need to get more. i'm not here to bitch or moan or groan, yes of course i want my haidates/osode, but i'm not gonna bitch or complain. a lot of ppl agree that there is a change due to a lot of rules and regulations, we need to in a sense fine tune everything, become more tight nit.

I only show up as WHM because I have to. Do I really want to? Nope. Even tho other people have only one job at 75 doesn't mean that they should have priorities over other. If you want to do priorities, then go by jobs and not who attends sky was xx job because not everyone wants to be in sky with the job that they do go as. Wagering points for an item is a good idea because if you really desire that item, you will be willing to spend all your points to lot it. This can also help those who have been in the shell longer than the new people because they will have more points than the new people for a certain amount of time til they catch up. That should be enough time for you to get the item that you want because drop rates aren't that horrible. Wagering points would be best and possibly raising the cap of points (I don't really see how this would help except that you will need more points to lot on an item with less competition).

thx for agreeing miz. by raising the cap of pts this is what i mean. say someone is now capped at 60, normally if 2 or more were at 60 they both would have to lot on the item, then the highest bidder wins, correct? yes. but with more pts that would eliminate that problem b/c someone could get max pts and not come back for a while say just to do gods/kirin for their drops and be able to lot, where as certain ppl who show up can't get anymore pts and when the person that is gone comes back he/she can still lot as if nothing has happened. this would eliminate the people who don't show up as often to allow others that do the better chance to get the items they want/need. i know a lot of ppl don't want to come as the jobs they come as, ah hell with it, no one understands where i'm coming from anyway, i'll just leave it at that, i've explained the above so ya.

I think I understand what you mean. Since it is the job that they go to sky with, they should be able to get it before other people.. Is that it?

Um Alex is supposed to take points off for ppl who dont mention why they not there, and for the most part she, does. No one Leaves for a month, and come back and lots. I do however think that 1pt should come off regardles off RL events. Just cuz ur not there. And things should stay balanced. that way someone not there for 40 runs start with -40 points, not -0 pt's and not -60; someone not there for 2 >> -2 and so on. Also I dont think caps should be raise, I think the cap is Just fine where it is. Raising it give people more oppurtunitiies to save points and dbl lot, Like lot osode and Money drop same day. Unless they have 60 pt's it shouldn't happen, and only if they have 60 pt's; not have 400pts and can lot everything. Also it would be unfair to newer ppl seeing as how old people would have a tremendous amount of point advantage over them, they'd be waiting months just to get ANYTHING. *and probably leave, even tho quite a few people have allready come and gone lol* Also if we start doing that buy a trigger then give to alex for 100 pt's shit, I'm leaving again~ All in all people should ACCEPT the point system how it is rather then seeking ways to change it. Cause honestly, there's nothing so disgustingly wrong/faulty with it to begin with; I think changing it would just open a window for more people to complain, bitch, whine, and moan rather then stfu and manage~

i think that's a thing that should be addressed too, that we should only be able to lot one item/run. that's a horrible idea to take pts off for ppl who are gone for rl situations, that's absolutely retarded. if that was the case then everyone would lose pts if they weren't there, u'd have no pts cuz u hardly show up so u'd be the one in negative pts, everyone would agree on that. my suggestions are as follows: -raise cap limit(a lot) -lot one item/run -raise min limit to lot for haidate/osode -anything else i'll edit later

Since there is a lot of opinions out there, I figured it was time to share my point of view as well. 1st of all, I think the 60 point cap works well regarding new and fairly new members as well as old members. it also works well to balance the number of lots a person can do each sky day. So I'm sry Kloud, but to raise limit and number of points for lotting K. osode and haidate will only fu$$ up the system I think. What would work though is your suggestion on raising lotting points for those 2 items, but without raising cap. The points for haidate and osode are too low as it is today and that is why members get item unfairly fast after joining(which is why we have this conversation). Members like Marzanna makes us want to change things, since she quit after getting her haidate and we afraid more ppl will follow. If u compare osode or haidate to ex. using points to get shura togi, u have 15 points for haidate and 50+15= 65points for shura togi. I would say that both osode and haidate are worth as much points as the shura togi, therefor it should be close to 60 poinst for those items. I believe this will solve lots of stuff that seems unfair to old members, but acceptable to new members. what u think ?

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